Free Air is Inferior

[p***@NAInet.org]

The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.

This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

[willshak]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Good one!

[g***@aol.com]

Post by willshak

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Good one!

The guy who sold me my monster oxygen free speaker cables with the
gold ends said you should only use argon in your tires ;-)

[Clark]

Post by g***@aol.com

Post by willshak

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Good one!

The guy who sold me my monster oxygen free speaker cables with the
gold ends said you should only use argon in your tires ;-)

How far north do you live? Argon is only good above the 45th parallel.

[mm]

Post by Clark
How far north do you live? Argon is only good above the 45th parallel.

They make argon at the Argonne National Laboratories, near Chicago.
Argonne is a trade name.

[Clark]

Post by mm

Post by Clark
How far north do you live? Argon is only good above the 45th parallel.

They make argon at the Argonne National Laboratories, near Chicago.
Argonne is a trade name.

That doesn't change the recommendation that argon only be used north of the
45th parallel. South of the line, one should use nogra.

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Post by g***@aol.com
The guy who sold me my monster oxygen free speaker cables with the
gold ends said you should only use argon in your tires ;-)

I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on nitrogen
in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use nitrogen in race
cars and aircraft where it has some benefits, so naturally, someone came up
with the idea of selling it to the gullible public as a real value. .

[unknown]

Post by Edwin Pawlowski

Post by g***@aol.com
The guy who sold me my monster oxygen free speaker cables with the
gold ends said you should only use argon in your tires ;-)

I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on nitrogen
in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use nitrogen in race
cars and aircraft where it has some benefits, so naturally, someone came up
with the idea of selling it to the gullible public as a real value. .

I'm a airline pilot and I used to fly for a race team..
The only advantages to nitrogen is no Oxy present, dry (easy to have
dry air too.. ) THE reason it's used is compressed cylinder of
Nitrogen, when regulated down to usable pressures, goes a LOOOOONG
way. If you're in pit road,, and using air tools, no compressor is
needed. In Lear jets, a volleyball size/shaped tank at 1700 lbs is
used to "blow" the gear down in an emergency and for emergency
braking.
If the same cubic ft of dry air could be stored in the same size
tank.. that would be used.
Also.. if you're going to pressurize something that has to be
pressurized higher than air compressor system will go safely, you grab
the nitrogen tank...
Chuck

[Stormin Mormon]

Carbon dioxide would do much of that kind of thing. As a
liquified gas, it would seem like it would have more capacity.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

<Chuck (in SC)> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

: I'm a airline pilot and I used to fly for a race team..
: The only advantages to nitrogen is no Oxy present, dry (easy to
have
: dry air too.. ) THE reason it's used is compressed cylinder of
: Nitrogen, when regulated down to usable pressures, goes a
LOOOOONG
: way. If you're in pit road,, and using air tools, no
compressor is
: needed. In Lear jets, a volleyball size/shaped tank at 1700
lbs is
: used to "blow" the gear down in an emergency and for emergency
: braking.
: If the same cubic ft of dry air could be stored in the same
size
: tank.. that would be used.
: Also.. if you're going to pressurize something that has to be
: pressurized higher than air compressor system will go safely,
you grab
: the nitrogen tank...
: Chuck

[g***@aol.com]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:48:48 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"

Post by Stormin Mormon
Carbon dioxide would do much of that kind of thing. As a
liquified gas, it would seem like it would have more capacity.

In fact GM used to have a tiny CO2 tank in the trunk to inflate the
spare in the 70s when the compact, deflated spare was what you got in
a compact car. It was about an inch bigger than the bare rim deflated.
The problem was what do you do with the bad tire you replaced. It
would not fit back in the tiny hole the spare was in.

[Frank]

Post by unknown

Post by Edwin Pawlowski

Post by g***@aol.com
The guy who sold me my monster oxygen free speaker cables with the
gold ends said you should only use argon in your tires ;-)

I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on nitrogen
in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use nitrogen in race
cars and aircraft where it has some benefits, so naturally, someone came up
with the idea of selling it to the gullible public as a real value. .

I'm a airline pilot and I used to fly for a race team..
The only advantages to nitrogen is no Oxy present, dry (easy to have
dry air too.. ) THE reason it's used is compressed cylinder of
Nitrogen, when regulated down to usable pressures, goes a LOOOOONG
way. If you're in pit road,, and using air tools, no compressor is
needed. In Lear jets, a volleyball size/shaped tank at 1700 lbs is
used to "blow" the gear down in an emergency and for emergency
braking.
If the same cubic ft of dry air could be stored in the same size
tank.. that would be used.
Also.. if you're going to pressurize something that has to be
pressurized higher than air compressor system will go safely, you grab
the nitrogen tank...
Chuck

Both O2 and N2 are near enough perfect gases and you can compress the
same volume. The oxygen would weigh slightly more for the same volume
because of higher molecular weight. Oxygen under high pressure does
present flammability problems in that it should not contact organic
materials when under high pressure. Nitrogen should also be kinder to
rubber since oxidation is the major degradation pathway.
Frank

[Karl S]

Post by Edwin Pawlowski
I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on nitrogen
in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use nitrogen in race
cars

They use nitrogen in race tires because they know exactly how much it will
expand as the tire heats up.

[Proctologically Violated©®]

PV=nRT applies to air as predictably as it applies to nitrogen. No
advantage to N2 in this regard.
Can't really see an advantage in any regard, esp. not for race cars.
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Post by Karl S

Post by Edwin Pawlowski
I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on nitrogen
in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use nitrogen in race
cars

They use nitrogen in race tires because they know exactly how much it will
expand as the tire heats up.

[Karl S]

Post by Proctologically Violated©®
PV=nRT applies to air as predictably as it applies to nitrogen. No
advantage to N2 in this regard.
Can't really see an advantage in any regard, esp. not for race cars.

Air contains water vapor. The percentage of water vapor in air is not
constant. It varies with location, weather conditions, etc.

[Joseph Meehan]

Post by Edwin Pawlowski

Post by g***@aol.com
The guy who sold me my monster oxygen free speaker cables with the
gold ends said you should only use argon in your tires ;-)

I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on
nitrogen in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use
nitrogen in race cars and aircraft where it has some benefits, so
naturally, someone came up with the idea of selling it to the
gullible public as a real value. .

For $2.00 per tyres I will fill it with 78% Nitrogen.

[Edwin Pawlowski]

Post by Joseph Meehan

Post by Edwin Pawlowski
I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on
nitrogen in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use
nitrogen in race cars and aircraft where it has some benefits, so
naturally, someone came up with the idea of selling it to the
gullible public as a real value. .

For $2.00 per tyres I will fill it with 78% Nitrogen.
--
Joseph Meehan

Close enough. I'll fax the money.

[Joseph Meehan]

Post by Edwin Pawlowski

Post by Joseph Meehan

Post by Edwin Pawlowski
I know you said it in jest, but a lot of people are being sold on
nitrogen in their tires. Stations are getting $5 a tire. They use
nitrogen in race cars and aircraft where it has some benefits, so
naturally, someone came up with the idea of selling it to the
gullible public as a real value. .

For $2.00 per tyres I will fill it with 78% Nitrogen.
--
Joseph Meehan

Close enough. I'll fax the money.

Don't forget to fax the tyres as well.

[mm]

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:22:25 -0400, "Joseph Meehan"

Post by Joseph Meehan

Post by Edwin Pawlowski

Post by Joseph Meehan
For $2.00 per tyres I will fill it with 78% Nitrogen.
Joseph Meehan

Close enough. I'll fax the money.

Don't forget to fax the tyres as well.

Fax machines are becoming obsolee. If you are going to fill tyres for
a business, get a money modem, or a newer solid and liquid modem.

[Mark Sparge]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably giving away my age with this one, but does anybody else
remember the Pfister Gas Station chains advertising "pink" air?

Mark

[mm]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use

That's because they use imported Chinese air, and it's low quality.
Partly because of all the air pollution in parts of China.

Pay the 50 cents and get real American air.

BTW, Chinese air quickly degrades into its component parts, and that's
another problem.

Post by p***@NAInet.org
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

[Harry K]

Post by mm

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use

That's because they use imported Chinese air, and it's low quality.
Partly because of all the air pollution in parts of China.
Pay the 50 cents and get real American air.

<snip>

Another problem with the Chinese crap is it causes accidents as the
vehicle keeps trying to go sideways.

Harry K

[mm]

Post by Harry K

Post by mm

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use

That's because they use imported Chinese air, and it's low quality.
Partly because of all the air pollution in parts of China.
Pay the 50 cents and get real American air.

Another problem with the Chinese crap is it causes accidents as the
vehicle keeps trying to go sideways.

Sometimes you can use magnets or 12 volt electromagnets to properly
orient** the air molecules, so this doesn't happen.

**Or to occident the air molecules.

Post by Harry K
Harry K

[Leo Lichtman]

"mm" wrote: (clip) **Or to occident the air molecules.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds like an occident waiting to happen.

[Karl S]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

And never drink free water out of fountains. Always buy the expensive
bottled stuff.

[mm]

Post by Karl S
And never drink free water out of fountains. Always buy the expensive
bottled stuff.

I was in Evian, France once. I was just driving through but made a
point to get out of the car and drink from the water fountain. I
presume it was Evian water.

I've heard that bottled water costs between 200 times and 200,000
times what tap water costs.


I've also driven through Mariananske Lasne (Marianbad). I guess we
had parked on the back side, away from the main entrance. We got out
and quickly came across saw the springhouse where everyone was filling
their cups from the pipe there. The cups looked like giant Meerschaum
pipes, in that they were china and had a china tube going to the
bottom of the cup, so people could drink and look straight ahead at
the same time, while walking.

Some 8-year old kid showed us how we could go 20 feet away and get the
same water straight from the stream for free, so we emptied our
canteens and filled it with "health water", my name for it. I was 5
miles awaly before I took my first drink, and it was terrrible, and I
was glad I hadn't paid for it. I had no other source of water for
probably an hour. Commmunist Czechoslovakia wasn't full of 7-11's and
restaurants to buy a drink at, or even many gas stations with
bathrooms and water from the sink.

[Charles]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.

Nitrogen is the only gas that should be in your tires! ;>)

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/070216.html

Bottled water can come from city taps and BS rules.

[Tony Hwang]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

Hmmm,
It does not matter to me. My tires are free air compatible. Read the
label on tires when you buy a set next time.

[mm]

Post by Tony Hwang
Hmmm,
It does not matter to me. My tires are free air compatible. Read the
label on tires when you buy a set next time.

I checked outside and mine need radial-belted air.

This must be why there are two air hoses at some gas stations.

[Clark]

Post by mm

Post by Tony Hwang
Hmmm,
It does not matter to me. My tires are free air compatible. Read the
label on tires when you buy a set next time.

I checked outside and mine need radial-belted air.
This must be why there are two air hoses at some gas stations.

What ever you do don't use the red hose. That's for truck tires.

[Harry K]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

Even the high priced stuff needs maintenance. It should be standard
practice to change the air in your tires 2X a year. When produced it
is at the proper temperature for the season. If you use winter air in
summer, the pressure rise is incorrect as it was colder when produced.
The summer heat will make the pressure rise further.

Harry K

[Mike Dobony]

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

Personally I prefer dehydrated water, but it is hard to come by when
traveling.

Mike D.

[Stormin Mormon]

Pep Boys and Napa were going to carry that. Right along side the
spill absorbant.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

"Mike Dobony" <***@notasarian-host.net> wrote in message news:UYjgi.8958$***@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
:
:
: Personally I prefer dehydrated water, but it is hard to come by
when
: traveling.
:
: Mike D.
:
:

[Harry K]

Post by Mike Dobony

Post by p***@NAInet.org
The old saying is "you get what you pay for".
The next time you pull into a gas station to pump up a tire, pass up
the "free air". Go to a station that charges a half buck or more to
get your air. The price is right on the free air, but the air is poor
quality air that will shorten the life of your tires. If you must use
the free air in an emergency, be sure to remove and replace it as soon
as possible afterwards. It's simply not quality air and should not be
used for any length of driving. The rule of thumb is to find the
station that charges the highest price for their air and go there.
The more it costs, the better the air quality.
This important message brought to you by "The National Air Institute"
(NAI) Washington DC.

Personally I prefer dehydrated water, but it is hard to come by when
traveling.
Mike D.

If you are passing by, stop in. I'll give you several cases left over
from y2k.

Harry K

[Stormin Mormon]

Sell it on Ebay right before the next hurricane down south.
They'll pay top dollar then.
--
Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

"Harry K" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
: >
: > Personally I prefer dehydrated water, but it is hard to come
by when
: > traveling.
: >
: > Mike D.
:
: If you are passing by, stop in. I'll give you several cases
left over
: from y2k.
:
: Harry K
:

[mm]

Post by Stormin Mormon
: >
: > Personally I prefer dehydrated water, but it is hard to come
by when
: > traveling.
: >
: > Mike D.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:07:02 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"

Post by Stormin Mormon
Sell it on Ebay right before the next hurricane down south.
They'll pay top dollar then.

CAn't they use rain?

[Harry K]

Post by mm

Post by Stormin Mormon
: >
: > Personally I prefer dehydrated water, but it is hard to come
by when
: > traveling.
: >
: > Mike D.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:07:02 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"

Post by Stormin Mormon
Sell it on Ebay right before the next hurricane down south.
They'll pay top dollar then.

CAn't they use rain?

I suppose it would work to rehydrate the dehydrated water.

Harry K